Post by Scolaire Bocht on Mar 1, 2012 22:42:40 GMT
Earlier this year a Jean D'Eau, in Budapest, was entrusted with some information that could possibly be a more plausible story for what is going in Greece than we are hearing elsewhere:
Speaking for myself I think it was all along obvious to the EU planners that the euro was - and is - an economic disaster for the peripheral countries of Europe and they in turn always planned to turn it into a 'favourable crisis' that would precipitate us into the disaster of a fiscal union - to follow on from the planned disaster of the monetary union. A few of us - including Youngdan - were trying to point out the problems of the euro on p.ie ages ago (Ireland and the Euro: Why We Need to Leave and Devalue) but we were told that interest rates would rise if we left etc etc. Well the disaster on that front has obviously happened and its because we continue to stay in the euro that our problems continue to worsen, I'd say anyway.
But just to rehash the point anyway about why the euro is a planned disaster for the peripheral countries: You see more than anything else a nation's currency is a sort of collective figure for the trading pattern of that country vis a vis the rest of the world. So if the economy is doing fabulous and exporting cars, planes and everything - like say Japan and West Germany in the 80s - then the currency rises because the countries that buy your goods have to buy your currency, so bidding the currency up in the demand and supply of the currency. On the otherhand if things are kinda slow, like maybe Italy in the same period, what happens is that your currency goes down - because foreign buyers and tourists aren't coming in and hence there is no demand for your currrency so it falls in price. But then in both cases the market will even itself out. If a country's currency rises too much then their exporters are hit and so other countries get a chance to compete against them, and similarly when the currency in say Italy falls then it becomes an attractive place for tourists and their exporters get a boost so the currency will float up again. In short its simply a market that left to its own devices will find its equilibrium and economists call that equilibrium price Purchasing Power Parity. Whatever, the point is that what they are doing with the euro - in my opinion deliberately - is clogging up the market, they are not allowing the market to correct itself and as such they will destroy all economic activity eventually.
You see compare it to any other market, like house prices, that I was waffling on about before. Say tomorrow we issued - and we are doing that in a kind of a way with NAMA - an order whereby house prices could not fall below 300,000 euro, an artificial bureaucratically determined price, like our membership of the euro. In theory there would be great advantages, for example banks would have healthier balance sheets because the price of their assets, the mortages they hold, will stop falling in value and that would be also true of many private citizens. Of course the small problem with that is that all economic activity involving the buying and selling of houses would eventually stop. Since the price is not set by the market, but rather by an outside bureaucrat, the price could just be higher than buyers are willing to pay hence nobody buys houses and everything grinds to a halt. Thats what happens when like King Canute you set off to bureaucratically ignore the market realities. But the same then is true of the currency, if it stays artificially high, because it isn't let float and find its market level, then it will just stay at a level where the native traders and exporters just cannot compete against imports full stop. So they just go bust and continue to go bust when it could turn around for the better quite quickly - as it did in Iceland - if they let the market decide the level of the currency.
I would say anyway that there is precisely zero future for any of those peripheral economies of Europe if they stay in the euro - the future would look like the North of England under Thatcher or the Mezzogiorno in Italy - and I think the EU elites know that perfectly well...
picador
"Is this the inside story on the Greek crisis?"
No.
nephin
i like the way you are thinking
we are and were always pawns in a plan for a greater franco/german state
Radix
I forgot to take my tablets today as well.
But sure anyway, I'll keep praying for nama from Heaven!
Sir Alan Dukes will shurely shmile on meeee......
Tommy O'Brien
[Graphic of a Zoo]
Tea Party Patriot
I read this far and then stopped:
"disillusioned high ranking member of the Jewish Freemasonry"
Radix
"i like the way you are thinking
we are and were always pawns in a plan for a greater franco/german state"
Let me guess.
Mayo?
KongMing
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cabledude
Wow....!!!
Astral Peaks
I dont want to disturb you nice little conspiracy theory but this quote is interesting?
"In parallel, the European Union is already announcing the "necessary" creation of a big European Army to match the predominant military power of the US in the NATO."
Obviously, the fact that there are EU nations on NATO is totally irrelevant!!!!
DeGaulle 2.0
"I read this far and then stopped:"
Surely you don't need to go past "Jean D'Eau"?
Tea Party Patriot
Fantastic graphic [of a zoo, posted by Tommy O'Brien], I have bookmarked it for future reference
Tea Party Patriot
"Surely you don't need to go past "Jean D'Eau"?"
Never heard of him, but will google.
Twin Towers
So in effect the destruction of Ireland is deliberate?
fun tzu
"Never heard of him, but will google."
Bless...
KongMing
"Never heard of him, but will google."
"I thank God I was raised Catholic, so sex will always be dirty."
One of his better known quotes.
CanRonPaulSaveTheUS
"So in effect the destruction of Ireland is deliberate?"
That of course is the bottom line and I pointed it out back in 2007. Not just Ireland but the entire West is being de-industrialised. As the OP pointed out this is the financial aspect of the global warming scam as well. It was designed to be a 20 trillion dollar market to transfer from the developed to the underdeveloped countries to create an equilibrium as called for back in 1992 in Rio.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the Irish people will be freezing and starving to death and you will still have Mutts like Tommy O Brien trying to convince people otherwise despite the evidence before their eyes.
Thankfully I think that people can see through the twaddle at this stage.
Some will still cling to the belief that this fool [Enda Kenny] is worried about them
Roll on the budget, for those who need a bit more convincing. Lets see that 600 million euros go to Africa
Sync
"One of his better known quotes."
He also starred in a French remake of a shortlived US mystery series.
"A friend of mine who is a now a disillusioned high ranking member of the Jewish Freemasonry in Budapest has told me what is coming regarding the Greek crisis.
Greece was chosen to play the role of the European Union bankrupt member state in order to "create" the big problem to which the European Union is going to "find" the "solution" soon.
Greece was chosen because it symbolizes Europe (nobody in Europe cares about countries like Hungary or Estonia) and because its economy was relatively easy to devastate after it renounced its own currency.
The European "elites" are using Greece to persuade the sheeple that if the Greek problem is not fixed, Southern Europe will go bankrupt which will trigger the collapse of the whole European financial system and thus the bankruptcy of the whole European economy.
The "problem" is that the so-called Eurozone (where the euro currency replaced the national currencies) is doomed to collapse since the Southern European states (as well as the Eastern ones) cannot sustain their economy if they can't devalue their own currency in order to boost export and tourism (they are now sucked to the euro currency.)
That's where corrupt globalist politicians played their role in weakening their own economy by every means but the current "global recession" triggered by the international Khazar bankers was the main part of the plan to bring the Southern and Eastern European economies to a breaking point as well as to weaken the US economy and collapse the Chinese, Indian and Russian economies.
The "only solution" soon to be proposed soon by the EU is to suppress the national fiscal and budgetary policies in Europe and have a centralized European budget. All European states will have to send most of their tax money to a central European government and the national budgets will be established by this central government too.
It is going to be a bit more complicated but it will mean that the European national governments will cease to exist. In parallel, the European Union is already announcing the "necessary" creation of a big European Army to match the predominant military power of the US in the NATO.
As you already know, the international bankers are indeed mainly European bankers (Rothschild and co.) and these are the real brains behind the man-made global recession (just as they are behind the "global warming" scam.)
Thus the European "elites" are now on the way to becoming more powerful than the traditional US "elites". All they need is to make the European Union a real superstate (centralized taxation and budgetary policy) with a real super army (the coming European Army.) Then, the US "elites" will be forced to merge the US into the EU and not the opposite as they would like.
The resulting "UNION" (this is the projected label) would be an empire ruled by the money powers whose ancestor ruled the Khazar empire at that time. If anybody still believes that the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a fake, wait until the plan above is fulfilled and they will wake up in an "Elders of Zion" world. Unless of course America, China or Russia can stop the rise of the new Khazar empire."
( www.henrymakow.com/the_secret_solution_to_greece.html )
Greece was chosen to play the role of the European Union bankrupt member state in order to "create" the big problem to which the European Union is going to "find" the "solution" soon.
Greece was chosen because it symbolizes Europe (nobody in Europe cares about countries like Hungary or Estonia) and because its economy was relatively easy to devastate after it renounced its own currency.
The European "elites" are using Greece to persuade the sheeple that if the Greek problem is not fixed, Southern Europe will go bankrupt which will trigger the collapse of the whole European financial system and thus the bankruptcy of the whole European economy.
The "problem" is that the so-called Eurozone (where the euro currency replaced the national currencies) is doomed to collapse since the Southern European states (as well as the Eastern ones) cannot sustain their economy if they can't devalue their own currency in order to boost export and tourism (they are now sucked to the euro currency.)
That's where corrupt globalist politicians played their role in weakening their own economy by every means but the current "global recession" triggered by the international Khazar bankers was the main part of the plan to bring the Southern and Eastern European economies to a breaking point as well as to weaken the US economy and collapse the Chinese, Indian and Russian economies.
The "only solution" soon to be proposed soon by the EU is to suppress the national fiscal and budgetary policies in Europe and have a centralized European budget. All European states will have to send most of their tax money to a central European government and the national budgets will be established by this central government too.
It is going to be a bit more complicated but it will mean that the European national governments will cease to exist. In parallel, the European Union is already announcing the "necessary" creation of a big European Army to match the predominant military power of the US in the NATO.
As you already know, the international bankers are indeed mainly European bankers (Rothschild and co.) and these are the real brains behind the man-made global recession (just as they are behind the "global warming" scam.)
Thus the European "elites" are now on the way to becoming more powerful than the traditional US "elites". All they need is to make the European Union a real superstate (centralized taxation and budgetary policy) with a real super army (the coming European Army.) Then, the US "elites" will be forced to merge the US into the EU and not the opposite as they would like.
The resulting "UNION" (this is the projected label) would be an empire ruled by the money powers whose ancestor ruled the Khazar empire at that time. If anybody still believes that the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a fake, wait until the plan above is fulfilled and they will wake up in an "Elders of Zion" world. Unless of course America, China or Russia can stop the rise of the new Khazar empire."
( www.henrymakow.com/the_secret_solution_to_greece.html )
Speaking for myself I think it was all along obvious to the EU planners that the euro was - and is - an economic disaster for the peripheral countries of Europe and they in turn always planned to turn it into a 'favourable crisis' that would precipitate us into the disaster of a fiscal union - to follow on from the planned disaster of the monetary union. A few of us - including Youngdan - were trying to point out the problems of the euro on p.ie ages ago (Ireland and the Euro: Why We Need to Leave and Devalue) but we were told that interest rates would rise if we left etc etc. Well the disaster on that front has obviously happened and its because we continue to stay in the euro that our problems continue to worsen, I'd say anyway.
But just to rehash the point anyway about why the euro is a planned disaster for the peripheral countries: You see more than anything else a nation's currency is a sort of collective figure for the trading pattern of that country vis a vis the rest of the world. So if the economy is doing fabulous and exporting cars, planes and everything - like say Japan and West Germany in the 80s - then the currency rises because the countries that buy your goods have to buy your currency, so bidding the currency up in the demand and supply of the currency. On the otherhand if things are kinda slow, like maybe Italy in the same period, what happens is that your currency goes down - because foreign buyers and tourists aren't coming in and hence there is no demand for your currrency so it falls in price. But then in both cases the market will even itself out. If a country's currency rises too much then their exporters are hit and so other countries get a chance to compete against them, and similarly when the currency in say Italy falls then it becomes an attractive place for tourists and their exporters get a boost so the currency will float up again. In short its simply a market that left to its own devices will find its equilibrium and economists call that equilibrium price Purchasing Power Parity. Whatever, the point is that what they are doing with the euro - in my opinion deliberately - is clogging up the market, they are not allowing the market to correct itself and as such they will destroy all economic activity eventually.
You see compare it to any other market, like house prices, that I was waffling on about before. Say tomorrow we issued - and we are doing that in a kind of a way with NAMA - an order whereby house prices could not fall below 300,000 euro, an artificial bureaucratically determined price, like our membership of the euro. In theory there would be great advantages, for example banks would have healthier balance sheets because the price of their assets, the mortages they hold, will stop falling in value and that would be also true of many private citizens. Of course the small problem with that is that all economic activity involving the buying and selling of houses would eventually stop. Since the price is not set by the market, but rather by an outside bureaucrat, the price could just be higher than buyers are willing to pay hence nobody buys houses and everything grinds to a halt. Thats what happens when like King Canute you set off to bureaucratically ignore the market realities. But the same then is true of the currency, if it stays artificially high, because it isn't let float and find its market level, then it will just stay at a level where the native traders and exporters just cannot compete against imports full stop. So they just go bust and continue to go bust when it could turn around for the better quite quickly - as it did in Iceland - if they let the market decide the level of the currency.
I would say anyway that there is precisely zero future for any of those peripheral economies of Europe if they stay in the euro - the future would look like the North of England under Thatcher or the Mezzogiorno in Italy - and I think the EU elites know that perfectly well...
picador
"Is this the inside story on the Greek crisis?"
No.
nephin
i like the way you are thinking
we are and were always pawns in a plan for a greater franco/german state
Radix
I forgot to take my tablets today as well.
But sure anyway, I'll keep praying for nama from Heaven!
Sir Alan Dukes will shurely shmile on meeee......
Tommy O'Brien
[Graphic of a Zoo]
Tea Party Patriot
I read this far and then stopped:
"disillusioned high ranking member of the Jewish Freemasonry"
Radix
"i like the way you are thinking
we are and were always pawns in a plan for a greater franco/german state"
Let me guess.
Mayo?
KongMing
..........................................________
....................................,.-‘”...................``~.,
.............................,.-”...................................“-.,
.........................,/...............................................”:,
.....................,?........................... ...........................\,
.................../.................................................. .........,}
................./.................................................. ....,:`^`..}
.............../.................................................. .,:”........./
..............?.....__............................ .............:`.........../
............./__.(.....“~-,_..............................,:`........../
.........../(_....”~,_........“~,_....................,:`..... ..._/
..........{.._$;_......”=,_.......“-,_.......,.-~-,},.~”;/....}
...........((.....*~_.......”=-._......“;,,./`..../”............../
...,,,___.\`~,......“~.,....................`..... }............../
............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-”
............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\
.............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__
,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|........... ...`=~-,
.....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\
...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\
................................`:,,.............. .............`\..............__
.....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==``
........................................_\........ ..._,-%.......`\
...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\
cabledude
Wow....!!!
Astral Peaks
I dont want to disturb you nice little conspiracy theory but this quote is interesting?
"In parallel, the European Union is already announcing the "necessary" creation of a big European Army to match the predominant military power of the US in the NATO."
Obviously, the fact that there are EU nations on NATO is totally irrelevant!!!!
DeGaulle 2.0
"I read this far and then stopped:"
Surely you don't need to go past "Jean D'Eau"?
Tea Party Patriot
Fantastic graphic [of a zoo, posted by Tommy O'Brien], I have bookmarked it for future reference
Tea Party Patriot
"Surely you don't need to go past "Jean D'Eau"?"
Never heard of him, but will google.
Twin Towers
So in effect the destruction of Ireland is deliberate?
fun tzu
"Never heard of him, but will google."
Bless...
KongMing
"Never heard of him, but will google."
"I thank God I was raised Catholic, so sex will always be dirty."
One of his better known quotes.
CanRonPaulSaveTheUS
"So in effect the destruction of Ireland is deliberate?"
That of course is the bottom line and I pointed it out back in 2007. Not just Ireland but the entire West is being de-industrialised. As the OP pointed out this is the financial aspect of the global warming scam as well. It was designed to be a 20 trillion dollar market to transfer from the developed to the underdeveloped countries to create an equilibrium as called for back in 1992 in Rio.
I have said it before and I will say it again, the Irish people will be freezing and starving to death and you will still have Mutts like Tommy O Brien trying to convince people otherwise despite the evidence before their eyes.
Thankfully I think that people can see through the twaddle at this stage.
Some will still cling to the belief that this fool [Enda Kenny] is worried about them
Roll on the budget, for those who need a bit more convincing. Lets see that 600 million euros go to Africa
Sync
"One of his better known quotes."
He also starred in a French remake of a shortlived US mystery series.