Post by Scolaire Bocht on Mar 1, 2012 22:39:40 GMT
I was listening a short time ago to an interview with Fritz Springmeier and in either this interview: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J--okfDqaUs , or an earlier discussion with Jones: www.youtube.com/watch?v=k18sG92SODk , he raised a fascinating answer to a query that I think a lot of us have. He was asked why is it that the powers that be seem to flag what they do in advance, in Hollywood movie scripts etc. That seems counter intuitive, if you were conspiring to do something like 9/11 would you not wish to keep it a secret? As an example of the kind of thing they are talking about here consider this pilot episode for "The Lone Gunman", written by Chris Carter of X-Files fame, which aired on the 4th of March 2011: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rsMG2hHsLo . Surely people can see clearly that this is way way too coincidental for only a few months before 9/11? Unfortunately with some people it seems that TPTB have calculated correctly here, people will not see evidence sometimes that is even in front of their noses, rather they will believe what they want to believe which is that there is no conspiracy etc.
But anyway why would TPTB wish to flag what they do in advance? Well Springmeier gave two interesting reasons for this. Firstly it is used to intimidate members who are on the inside. In otherwords their senior people would say to the junior ones look at this film, we are now going to do exactly that. Then when it actually happens those people are intimidated, they are thinking wow these guys have enormous power almost being able to predict the future like that. The second reason given is that sometimes they will use these things to intimidate foreign governments. In otherwords they are quietly saying to these governments - whose intelligence services will watch these films, and they wont buy it as a weird coincidence - that if you don't toe the line we will do this to you. So it would be fascinating to see can we see an example of that in the mass media, where the TPTB are kind of kind of speaking over the heads of the mass audience of the media and instead intimidating knowledgable insiders and governments. I will propose three examples, one of which hasn't happened yet:
1. This is a clip from the Avengers film: . The Avengers obviously were always associated with British Intelligence and I'm sure verybody will have that image in their minds when watching the film, which goes on to talk about a group who control the weather and use that to intimidate foreign governments. Could art be imitating life here, could it be possible to control the weather and if so could you use this film to get your intimidatory message across?
2. Vladimir Zhirinovsky has always been a kind of anomaly on the Russian political scee, he masquerades as a buffoon but more than a few people have always felt that he has high up links to the old KGB networks and I'm sure foreign governments know this about him. Hence they might be more than a little interested in these mysterious comments made on Georgian TV: . Could the Russians have access to small nukes that they can set off under the ocean and hence artificially cause a tsunami? It doesn't seem that impossible?
3. This scene in the V for Vendetta movie, where they blow up Westminister, seems pregnant with Occult symbolism and one wonders if it could really happen: . Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments' as a prelude to abolishing democracy? I notice that that mask thing from the movie is everywhere now, it shows up in graphics on the BBC when they are talking about the anti globalisation protests for example, and you'd wonder if it isn't some Occultic graphic thing rather than something protesters on the ground would really go for?
Anyway such are my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth...
firefly123
It's Ok! Cos at the end of star wars they all live happily ever after in a forest with teddy bears! Just don't buy property on Alderaan and you will be grand.
livingstone
Umm...paranoid much? So you're suggesting that hollywood bosses control the weather and are covertly threatening to blow up the Palace of Westminster?
Elvisjaffacake
"3. This scene in the V for Vendetta movie, where they blow up Westminister, seems pregnant with Occult symbolism and one wonders if it could really happen: V for Vendetta - Ending - YouTube . Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments' as a prelude to abolishing democracy? I notice that that mask thing from the movie is everywhere now, it shows up in graphics on the BBC when they are talking about the anti globalisation protests for example, and you'd wonder if it isn't some Occultic graphic thing rather than something protesters on the ground would really go for?"
Maybe it's because Alan Moore is a genius...as well as being an actual wizard/occultist/pagan/anarchist/nice guy.
The "mask thing" is also from the original graphic novel not the movie...Christ, research is not a dirty word.
" Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments'"
Did this clown actually watch the movie (never mind read the Superior novel)?
Did he realise that the government of the UK in the story is a completely fascist organisation?
Fibonacci
Avatar?
still-life
"Anyway such are my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth..."
I just got a post card from the Illuminati - it simply says "Hin Toil Fat" - I can't figure it out at all. Any ideas?
seanmacc
Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?
Dylan2010
I'm going to do a Die Hard on the Treasury holdings building and steal the 11billion in Anglo notes? they are assets right?
Elvis jaffacake
"Umm...paranoid much? So you're suggesting that hollywood bosses control the weather and are covertly threatening to blow up the Palace of Westminster?"
He put 2 + 2 together and came up with banana.
seanmacc
"I'm going to do a Die Hard on the Treasury holdings building and steal the 11billion in Anglo notes? they are assets right?"
A better idea would be to do it in the Irish Mint building in Sandyford Industrial estate and steal the Punt Nua notes that are stored there
Elvis jaffacake
"Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?"
There is also a tv show about a colony of humans going back in time from 2140 to 85 million BC....prelude to time travel and boring family drama with dinosaurs?
seanmacc
"There is also a tv show about a colony of humans going back in time from 2140 to 85 million BC....prelude to time travel and boring family drama with dinosaurs?"
There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?
firefly123
"I just got a post card from the Illuminati - it simply says "Hin Toil Fat" - I can't figure it out at all. Any ideas?"
Theres a guy called Dr Robert Langdon. He is really good with puzzles
Dylan2010
"There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?"
An interesting social idea is that movies can reflect the mood of the country. All the Frankenstein moies etc were made in the early 30's and horror movies didnt come back into fashion again until the 70's. in the 90's the horror movies tended to be comedy like.
westernyelp
"Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?"
Jaysus, that would be great craic!
Nemesiscorporation
X-Files, Avengers and the film V for Vendetta were great bits of escapism. I have V for vendetta on bluray and the others on DVD.
Recently I have watched Avatar, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and Terminator on Bluray.
So according to you, my options are;
1. I am going to occupy another body and lead a rebellion.
2. Stop a time travelling maniac out on a vengeful mission of blind revenge.
3. Fight of an attack by killer robots and robots that have evolved to look like humans with only one warship, who are hell bent on destroying the human race.
4. Fight of a murderous robot from the future that is hell bent on killing me and then save the human race from robotic domination.
I am just after buying Lego Mindstorms NXT for my nephew and Sesame street was on TV this morning. Where the hell does that leave me
What the F*CK are you on?
Elvis jaffacake
"There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?"
I think the zombie genre is losing steam a bit.
The walking dead is good though,the graphic novel series is better but even grimmer.
And Shawn of the dead is a great comedy take on it all.
Better then those effing sparkly vampires.
still-life
Black Hawk Down - and then all hell broke loose in Mogadishu - spooky.
Mountaintop
I was just discussing this very topic with my friends.....as we were on our way to Mordor with a ring....
human 19
I actually remember watchinh the Lone Gunman episode about the plane crashing into the twin towers. I had always assumed that people with responsiility for security may, when watching programmes like this,think "Hmmm, I suppose we better consider that possibility".
Obviously I was wrong. After 9/11 I ws looking for that ep on the net but couldnt find it.
scolairebocht
I see what you are saying human 19 and I really think people ought to see the video, available here:
it was broadcast in March 2011. You'd want to be suffering from powerful doses of naivety not to see that there is something going on here!
The whole zombie thing is a reference to the technology that some Occult groups have of ceating multiple personalities. Its all very complicated but you can read about it in Springmeier's books, like this one: www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm .
According to one ex member of these Occult groups, Doc Marquis, the alien hoax thing is not planned for a long time yet, as he was saying in an interview with Stanley Monteith here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp55k9bzxSI . The idea behind this alien hoax plan is apparently to bring the peoples of the world closer together, uniting in response to a perceived outside threat, and hence providing a kind of impetus for world government.
But anyway why would TPTB wish to flag what they do in advance? Well Springmeier gave two interesting reasons for this. Firstly it is used to intimidate members who are on the inside. In otherwords their senior people would say to the junior ones look at this film, we are now going to do exactly that. Then when it actually happens those people are intimidated, they are thinking wow these guys have enormous power almost being able to predict the future like that. The second reason given is that sometimes they will use these things to intimidate foreign governments. In otherwords they are quietly saying to these governments - whose intelligence services will watch these films, and they wont buy it as a weird coincidence - that if you don't toe the line we will do this to you. So it would be fascinating to see can we see an example of that in the mass media, where the TPTB are kind of kind of speaking over the heads of the mass audience of the media and instead intimidating knowledgable insiders and governments. I will propose three examples, one of which hasn't happened yet:
1. This is a clip from the Avengers film: . The Avengers obviously were always associated with British Intelligence and I'm sure verybody will have that image in their minds when watching the film, which goes on to talk about a group who control the weather and use that to intimidate foreign governments. Could art be imitating life here, could it be possible to control the weather and if so could you use this film to get your intimidatory message across?
2. Vladimir Zhirinovsky has always been a kind of anomaly on the Russian political scee, he masquerades as a buffoon but more than a few people have always felt that he has high up links to the old KGB networks and I'm sure foreign governments know this about him. Hence they might be more than a little interested in these mysterious comments made on Georgian TV: . Could the Russians have access to small nukes that they can set off under the ocean and hence artificially cause a tsunami? It doesn't seem that impossible?
3. This scene in the V for Vendetta movie, where they blow up Westminister, seems pregnant with Occult symbolism and one wonders if it could really happen: . Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments' as a prelude to abolishing democracy? I notice that that mask thing from the movie is everywhere now, it shows up in graphics on the BBC when they are talking about the anti globalisation protests for example, and you'd wonder if it isn't some Occultic graphic thing rather than something protesters on the ground would really go for?
Anyway such are my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth...
firefly123
It's Ok! Cos at the end of star wars they all live happily ever after in a forest with teddy bears! Just don't buy property on Alderaan and you will be grand.
livingstone
Umm...paranoid much? So you're suggesting that hollywood bosses control the weather and are covertly threatening to blow up the Palace of Westminster?
Elvisjaffacake
"3. This scene in the V for Vendetta movie, where they blow up Westminister, seems pregnant with Occult symbolism and one wonders if it could really happen: V for Vendetta - Ending - YouTube . Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments' as a prelude to abolishing democracy? I notice that that mask thing from the movie is everywhere now, it shows up in graphics on the BBC when they are talking about the anti globalisation protests for example, and you'd wonder if it isn't some Occultic graphic thing rather than something protesters on the ground would really go for?"
Maybe it's because Alan Moore is a genius...as well as being an actual wizard/occultist/pagan/anarchist/nice guy.
The "mask thing" is also from the original graphic novel not the movie...Christ, research is not a dirty word.
" Presumably they could blow up the 'mother of parliaments'"
Did this clown actually watch the movie (never mind read the Superior novel)?
Did he realise that the government of the UK in the story is a completely fascist organisation?
Fibonacci
Avatar?
still-life
"Anyway such are my thoughts on the subject for what they are worth..."
I just got a post card from the Illuminati - it simply says "Hin Toil Fat" - I can't figure it out at all. Any ideas?
seanmacc
Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?
Dylan2010
I'm going to do a Die Hard on the Treasury holdings building and steal the 11billion in Anglo notes? they are assets right?
Elvis jaffacake
"Umm...paranoid much? So you're suggesting that hollywood bosses control the weather and are covertly threatening to blow up the Palace of Westminster?"
He put 2 + 2 together and came up with banana.
seanmacc
"I'm going to do a Die Hard on the Treasury holdings building and steal the 11billion in Anglo notes? they are assets right?"
A better idea would be to do it in the Irish Mint building in Sandyford Industrial estate and steal the Punt Nua notes that are stored there
Elvis jaffacake
"Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?"
There is also a tv show about a colony of humans going back in time from 2140 to 85 million BC....prelude to time travel and boring family drama with dinosaurs?
seanmacc
"There is also a tv show about a colony of humans going back in time from 2140 to 85 million BC....prelude to time travel and boring family drama with dinosaurs?"
There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?
firefly123
"I just got a post card from the Illuminati - it simply says "Hin Toil Fat" - I can't figure it out at all. Any ideas?"
Theres a guy called Dr Robert Langdon. He is really good with puzzles
Dylan2010
"There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?"
An interesting social idea is that movies can reflect the mood of the country. All the Frankenstein moies etc were made in the early 30's and horror movies didnt come back into fashion again until the 70's. in the 90's the horror movies tended to be comedy like.
westernyelp
"Although in saying that there are a lot of films and TV programmes at the moment depicting Aliens on earth. Is this a prelude to first contact?"
Jaysus, that would be great craic!
Nemesiscorporation
X-Files, Avengers and the film V for Vendetta were great bits of escapism. I have V for vendetta on bluray and the others on DVD.
Recently I have watched Avatar, Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica and Terminator on Bluray.
So according to you, my options are;
1. I am going to occupy another body and lead a rebellion.
2. Stop a time travelling maniac out on a vengeful mission of blind revenge.
3. Fight of an attack by killer robots and robots that have evolved to look like humans with only one warship, who are hell bent on destroying the human race.
4. Fight of a murderous robot from the future that is hell bent on killing me and then save the human race from robotic domination.
I am just after buying Lego Mindstorms NXT for my nephew and Sesame street was on TV this morning. Where the hell does that leave me
What the F*CK are you on?
Elvis jaffacake
"There's also a big push on zombie genre programmes and films the past few years, are we all being set up for extermination?"
I think the zombie genre is losing steam a bit.
The walking dead is good though,the graphic novel series is better but even grimmer.
And Shawn of the dead is a great comedy take on it all.
Better then those effing sparkly vampires.
still-life
Black Hawk Down - and then all hell broke loose in Mogadishu - spooky.
Mountaintop
I was just discussing this very topic with my friends.....as we were on our way to Mordor with a ring....
human 19
I actually remember watchinh the Lone Gunman episode about the plane crashing into the twin towers. I had always assumed that people with responsiility for security may, when watching programmes like this,think "Hmmm, I suppose we better consider that possibility".
Obviously I was wrong. After 9/11 I ws looking for that ep on the net but couldnt find it.
scolairebocht
I see what you are saying human 19 and I really think people ought to see the video, available here:
it was broadcast in March 2011. You'd want to be suffering from powerful doses of naivety not to see that there is something going on here!
The whole zombie thing is a reference to the technology that some Occult groups have of ceating multiple personalities. Its all very complicated but you can read about it in Springmeier's books, like this one: www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/illuminati_formula_mind_control.htm .
According to one ex member of these Occult groups, Doc Marquis, the alien hoax thing is not planned for a long time yet, as he was saying in an interview with Stanley Monteith here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp55k9bzxSI . The idea behind this alien hoax plan is apparently to bring the peoples of the world closer together, uniting in response to a perceived outside threat, and hence providing a kind of impetus for world government.